exposing the timeshare sales pitch

When you buy a house or car, you have access to four invaluable resources: personal experience, third-party counsel, competitive bids, and time. From childhood you’ve grown up among home and car owners. As you enter the market you glean wisdom from family and friends, from magazines or real estate agents. Competing offers lend you a sense of fair prices and how the market works. You take time to make a reasoned decision.

Timeshares are similar to homes because they’re real estate (albeit an unusual type), and similar to cars in terms of cost. But when people buy timeshares, they generally do so during a sales presentation in which they enjoy none of the resources above. They lack personal experience with timeshare ownership, they’re unable to consult third parties for advice, they have no competitive bids on the table to compare, and they’re expected to accept an offer on the spot.

Considering the amount of money involved and its potential long-term impact on personal finances, a more rational decision-making process is in order.

Over years of enduring timeshare presentations in exchange for free or reduced lodging, gift cards and other rewards, my wife and I have enjoyed picking apart the following threads common to all of them. Bluegreen, Fairfield — the methods are the same:

1. Vacation vs. lodging.
The salesperson discusses vacations and refers to the timeshare as a vacation because “vacation” conveys a wealth of positive associations. But a timeshare isn’t a vacation – it’s lodging. And while lodging ranks high among vacation costs, the total bill for any vacation includes travel, food, and activities that together may equal, if not top, the cost of lodging. The salesperson acknowledges this, but only briefly – then continues referring to the timeshare as a vacation.

2. Obligation.
You’re matched with one salesperson for a presentation scheduled to take ninety minutes, and that ends up taking between two and three hours (at our latest timeshare, Massanutten, 1:30 became 2:45). The salesperson spends the majority of this time cultivating a friendly rapport with you over free food, lively conversation and a tour, holding the actual sales pitch until the end. This amount of individualized attention builds a personal connection, a sense of trust … and a consequent feeling of obligation. By the time the sales pitch finally arrives, it’s harder to reject an offer from someone who’s spent so much time being nice to you.

3. Scribbling.
The salesperson gives you nothing published – no terms, no prices. Everything is scribbled on a blank sheet of paper. This conveys a sense of price fluidity, an impression of a deal being cut, of figures being negotiated downward. In reality, each timeshare has a bottom figure necessary for recouping costs, so the fluidity is more a sign of price inflation. Moreover, factors integral to the deal (maintenance fees, closing costs, property taxes, insurance, financing interest rate) may be left off the scribbling paper.

4. Urgency.
The offer is take-it-or-leave-it, and will never again be offered. You must decide then and there to accept, or forever lose the opportunity to buy at the same price. This adds a sense of urgency, making it more likely you’ll neglect to ask crucial questions or request details in print. It also separates you from third-party advice and competitive offers.

The actual deal closing is handled through a clever approach – but before analyzing it, a look at timeshare mathematics gives us valuable perspective.

Since timeshares are sold by the week, the math is simple: multiply the sale price by 50 weeks for an approximation of how much the company is poised to make on a unit. One week ownership at $15,000 may sound low in real estate terms, especially compared to typical one-week rentals of $1,000 or more – it would pay for itself (seemingly, minus ongoing fees and interest rate) in a mere 15 years! But multiplying that figure by 50 weeks reveals the whole unit is selling for over $750,000. Is this the fair market value? Not by a longshot – in fact the company obtains fair market value upon selling 10 or 20 weeks, leaving the remaining 30 to 40 weeks as pure profit. In this way timeshare companies achieve real estate profits up to five times greater.

(If you think the padded price covers the cost of property management, think again – one-time sales can’t cover perpetual costs without bankrupting a business, which is why timeshares charge annual maintenance fees.)

Now, with the price in perspective, consider how the deal unfolds:

5. Phased closing.
The sales pitch ain’t over until it’s over – and that’s not until you walk out the door. First to bat:

The Salesperson. The whole time you’re with the salesperson, you’re dreading the eventual sales pitch … which is ironic because his or her job is not to close the deal. Instead it’s to butter you up for the real deal closer, who comes later. The salesperson simply obtains your trust and sympathy, then presents two prices. The first is a high “anytime” price meant to scare you: it’s not a real price, no one ever pays it, and in fact some salespersons cross it out soon after writing it down. (At our last timeshare visit, Massanutten, the anytime offer for one week of a condo with two bedrooms, two baths was $22,500.)

On its heels comes the “first time visitor offer” which, contrary to appearances, is not meant to hook you (unless you’re gullible). Instead this offer ($18,000 at Massanutten) is meant to draw your rejection – so the salesperson can quickly back off, to your huge relief. This is a brilliant sales maneuver; in fact everything has been orchestrated to bring you to this exact point, because immediately you think, “Ahh, it’s over! Here I was expecting all this pressure, but it wasn’t bad at all. This sales operation must really be on the up-and-up.” By moving beyond the sales pitch, the salesperson removes the threat and fear of pressure, thus doing exactly what he’s paid to do – laying down the emotional groundwork for batter number two:

The Boss. The boss stops by to touch base on why you’re rejecting the offer. This is presented as a check on the salesperson’s performance, but the boss does intend to close the deal, and she (or he) is authorized to offer a smaller unit for a remarkably discounted price ($9,900 at Massanutten) – about half the previous offer. Because you don’t have a relationship with the boss, her pitch relies on a combination of reduced numbers and extra amenities, and it’s delivered with the faint suggestion that your salesperson is a learner who should have performed better. Note his demeanor: once gregarious, now he sits quietly, seemingly chastened. He may have accepted your rejection with a smile, but to his boss he feels apologetic for his failure. You like your salesperson; you’re grateful to him for not pressuring you; you may feel like helping him out by accepting the new low offer.

If you’re particularly stubborn you turn this one down as well. The boss and salesperson shake your hand and invite you through a doorway to receive your parting gift (typically a $100 gift card). It’s all over until …

The Boss’s Boss. In the next room an older boss sits down to interview you about your free stay, your tour, and your salesperson’s professionalism. Was he polite? Did he show you both swimming pools? Did he explain the pricing? This is safe territory – you’ve eluded two sales pitches, you’re close to the exit, and you’re thinking back over all that occurred, assuring the older boss that even though the sales rep didn’t make a sale, he was great. Suddenly an alternative is mentioned: a pricing plan ($5,400 at Massanutten) half the previous offer, and with even more amenities thrown in. The tables have turned – you’re in the thick of a third sales pitch, this one a quarter of the original price. What would have happened had you accepted earlier offers? How clever of you to have turned them down. How many buyers reach this point? Will you now pass up this secret deal?

None of this is wrong, per se – it’s only carefully honed psychic and economic conditioning meant to steer you into a hasty and ill-considered decision. Barring coercion and deceit, if both sides agree on a price, no matter how high, that’s how much the timeshare is worth. Clearly, though, in light of the process above, whoever accepts either the first or second offer is a sucker.

In fact you never can be sure just how low the offer may descend until you’ve stepped out the door into the parking lot. You’re a prime opportunity, a potential buyer; the sales team will use better and better bait in an attempt to hook you because they know that once you’re gone, you’re gone for good. Simple strategy means saving their best bait for last.

Depending on personal finances and lifestyles, and if maintenance fees and other costs are reasonable, timeshares may make sense for some people – as long as the decision to buy one is well informed. The following process may help you make a wise decision:

1. Talk to people who own timeshares to learn the pros and cons. Find out the real bottom-dollar costs, especially annual fees and exchange/rollover costs.

2. Obtain a catalog from a timeshare exchange agency such as Resort Condominiums International (RCI) to find four timeshares near you – two you may be interested in buying, and two you’re not.

3. Research fair prices for all four timeshares. Analyze your family budget and travel habits. Calculate whether a timeshare will save you money on lodging.

4. Practice! Visit the two timeshares you’re not interested in buying to familiarize yourself with the sales pitch. Decline the offers no matter what.

5. Before visiting your two preferred timeshares, draft a list of questions with blanks to fill out. Be sure this list includes all cost specifications.

6. Visit your top timeshare pick, feign little interest through all stages of the sales pitch, obtain the final offer … then bring out your list of questions. After that point, if they hike the price or throw in extra fees, walk out. Revise your list of questions to include the new factors you’ve learned, and try again with your second timeshare pick.

7. Consider alternate financing. Offers assume you’ll finance through the company while neglecting to mention the interest rate. Ask if they’ll let you pay cash, bring financing from another institution, or pay off their loan in full without a penalty. Probably not, but there’s no sense in letting them box you into a high-interest loan without at least squawking about it. If the sale means that much to them, they may be willing to forgo the extra financing commission.

8. If you do buy a timeshare and believe it was a bad decision, research your state’s rescission laws. Many states allow a rescission period of a few days (often five) in which you can cancel a purchase. The laws that protect you are from your state of residence, not the state of the timeshare.

Don’t feel guilty, by the way, in declining offers. You’re valuable practice for a salesperson, a veritable research subject. Testing how to “crack” you and seeing what fails will help him determine how to secure the next sale. Rest assured he’ll replay every interchange, tone and expression, both yours and his, in order to hone his craft. If you still feel bad about declining, use this surefire line: “This isn’t the way I feel comfortable buying real estate.” And keep in mind the $100 gift card, which is their bet you’ll buy. The company isn’t losing money on you : $100 is a researched probabilistic calculation. Considering the obscene profits involved, a salesperson needs only one sale out of five (or ten? or twenty?) to make those gift cards worth the gamble.

My wife and I don’t own any timeshares, but we’ve been fascinated by the psychological and financial machinations used to sell them. We’ve entered every presentation determined to decline, yet found ourselves swaying. Only sheer stubbornness enabled us to see how low the prices can drop.

Whenever you visit a timeshare, you can be sure of one thing: no one paid the same price to stay there. A little preparation and determination on your part can keep you on the low end.

21 Responses to “exposing the timeshare sales pitch”

  1. Read this before heading out to a timeshare sales presentation. | Oregon Consumer Law | Oregon Consumer Attorney | Oregon Consumer Lawyer Says:

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  2. Anonymous Says:

    I once worked in customer service for a timeshare company (Not sales) and here are some other useful tips:

    One important question to ask the salesperson, particularly when taking the lowest price: What color season is my week? Lower prices often mean lower color season (green or white) with less trading power and less travel time available. If you want to travel to a resort during the holiday/busy/high/”supreme red” season, the purchase price of your week will be more. They will often start off with a supreme red price (4th of July week at the beach for example) and will knock the price down, but you will only get a green week (january or february) for the low price and won’t have as many travel options available. Some people can live with this, but it’s usually not the best for families with children in school (or adults who are teachers).

    And most importantly, if you do buy and the salesperson “promises” you something, GET IT IN WRITING.

  3. Di Says:

    I love this piece. Very information. I am a young traveler who is interested in going a discounted vacation. I’m happy to trade in 3 hours to withstand the pitch. However, I haven’t gotten these calls. Is there any way to find these offers online?

  4. the forester Says:

    I haven’t gotten these calls. Is there any way to find these offers online?

    Hi Di,

    I’m sure if you contacted timeshares directly (Fairfield, Blue Green) and asked to visit, they’d be happy to oblige. Check out their websites for contact information and give ‘em a call! They spend so much effort trying to rope people in that I’m sure they’d be tickled by a volunteer like yourself! :-)

    Best of luck!

  5. Shannon Says:

    This article is very helpful!! I’m about to go through one of these presentations this week, and I’m very nervous about it cuz I definitely have to say NO! Thanks for the info!!

  6. the forester Says:

    I’m about to go through one of these presentations this week, and I’m very nervous about it cuz I definitely have to say NO! Thanks for the info!!

    Then you, Shannon, are exactly who I wrote it for! So glad to hear you found it helpful.

    I’m not a big blogger; I don’t get many hits. But if this post helps even a few people escape a hasty and unwise financial decision, it was worth the time to write.

  7. Alexey Zharikov Says:

    You can go to ebay and check the secondary market for any timeshare or travel memberships. You will allways find that same or similar membership costs just a fraction of any price that is offered on the presentation.

    If you need to say “No” and receive your gift - just print the secondary market offers from ebay, show them during any part of the pitch and ask why you need to pay more.

    If you are interesting in the membership (timeshare or travel club - does not matter) itself, not just in a promotional gift for visiting presentation(which is not always free, by the way), do not waste your time for the presentation, just buy from secondary market (ebay, craigslist, etc.)

  8. Jules609 Says:

    Let me help you and some of your readers. The general public must first understand that timeshare are not created equally. Prime example, if you buy one in mexico instead of the U.S., what’s the difference? In Mexico you don’t own it. So if there was a major hurricane that destroyed your property, you are not protected by the United State’s insurance laws. Now you ask a friend that owns a fixed week in Williamsburg,Virginia how is their timeshare, they may hate it. Now asked a friend who owns a floating summer week in Atlantic City, and they love it. Now who’s judgement do you go by. The bottom line is you go by your own. You have to see it and hear it for yourself. You are correct about red, yellow, and green weeks and pricing. You are incorrect about actual value. I live and sell timeshare for 10 years in Atlantic City. I live in a 30 story condominium highrise. My two bedroom condo that i own outright, was just appraised for $1.2 million dollars. My monthly maintenance fee is $825. Now that’s in addition to a mortgage, and not including electric, cable, phone and anything else. I don’t know about where you live or are reffering to, but in this town, timeshares are rather inexpensive compared to what one would pay to purchase the unit outright. The maintenance fees here are the taxes, insurance, utilities, and phone, security, and maintenance of your unit and all the common areas. I am a licensed real estate agent and in this town you could buy a home for $300,000 or $3.8 million dollars on the ocean. Nothing here is cheap. Now, compare the cost of purchasing a unit in a building outright in your town, and divide by 52 week, and that unit in your town may not be worth it, but in this town and most expensive towns to live, you got a steal. And about those resales on ebay and craigslist: you need to find out why people are selling them. Is it because they are going through a divorce and need to liquidate, or did they buy a green week because they wanted the best price in the house and realized and buying it, that season didn’t work for them. In addition to that, most resorts offer incentives to earn your business that day, that cannot be offer on a return visit, nor can it be transferred through the sale of your timeshare. Bottom line, a lot of resales are minus that additional incentive becaused it can only be offer through the developers. So make sure you do your homework.
    P.S. I can only speak for the companies that i am familiar with, these incentives will and cannot be offered on a return visit. As a licensed real estate agent, we as timeshare sale reps in New Jersey,(which has the strictest real estate laws in this country) are not going to jeopardize our license and livlihood nor will the Millionare developers for a $10,000-$20,000 sale. Thank you.

  9. Jules609 Says:

    I forgot one thing, anyone that doesn’t understand why a timeshare make more sense than renting a hotel room and lack of privacy with guests, please feel free to email me at jclemens609@aol.com

  10. Penelope Waters Says:

    Wow, Jules, you do pretty well at selling timeshares!
    I can’t even IMAGINE throwing away 825$ a month in something that did not build equity for ME.

  11. the forester Says:

    I can’t even IMAGINE throwing away 825$ a month in something that did not build equity for ME.

    Yes, Penelope, I was thinking/hoping that was a typo. It certainly doesn’t sound normal — I doubt most timeshares have maintenance fees anywhere near that high.

  12. Presentation Veteran Says:

    That “we’ll never offe this to you again” stuff is nonsense. Every year we take a free trip on Fairfiled (Wyndham) and every year they say they are going to out us on their do not call list because we never buy. Sure enough a few months later we get a call from either them or a marketing company working for them. We always print out ebay prices for the places we’re going and take them with them. The sales guys will get mad when you ask why it owuld make sense to buy from them rathere than the deep discount resale price but they usually let you out of there quickly (or quicker than they would have). If they still try to keep you prisoner, show them copies of the complaints you found on them at ripoffreport.com. If they still persist,, make sure you talk loudly so others can hear you. They hustle you out so you don’t bust another sale. Few things are more pleasurable than playing people who’s goal it is to play you.

  13. the forester Says:

    Ha! Great suggestions, Presentation Veteran — thank you! I love the one about talking loudly. Every timeshare sales pitch I’ve sat through has used crowd control to create a general atmosphere of acceptance. In fact, I’ve always wondered if the first few “We have a buyer!” announcements are plants, other salespeople roleplaying as customers to set an example for others. So your suggestion turns that dynamic on its head, dispelling their illusion. Nice.

  14. Cyndi Says:

    Guys, guys, guys and Penelope. The reason people buy timeshare is because they do not listen, timeshare salespeople do. Number one the people they are selling to are already there for something free. (Deal getters that they are). If they get there and there is a better deal, why would they not consider it? The most dangerous and usually most succesful TS salesperson is the one who asks one question and just lets you talk.
    If you read Jules comment it was that he owns a 1.2 million dollar condo and his maintenance fees are $825 per month that includes his insurance and his common area maintenance. That is his house he lives there all year round. We all pay these fees to maintain our homes and or condos, and here in Florida condo fees run $400-$1000 per month and do not include the property taxes. Any good salesperson in TS goes over these realistically. I sell vacation homes here and have sold TS. The TS is actually a much better deal unless you are a millionaire. Also Presentation Veteran change your title to Stroker that is what your name would be in the TS biz. Think about what it connotes and you will understand. And yes good TS people recpgnize you immediately.

  15. KEL Says:

    forester, i feel for you especially when you retire. once you go to a fixed income and beautiful 5 star hotels are charging $600 to $700/night. you’ll be enjoying your retirement years in a wonderful motel. good job for being so closed minded. hahaha!

  16. Global Resorts Network Says:

    Wow! You’ve got it down to a science. I survived two presentations, so anyone can do it. I decided against purchasing a timeshare simply because of the high pressure. If it’s such a good deal, why the hard sell? At any rate, I love the timeshare resort properties, just not timeshare ownership.

  17. Fred Says:

    My Wife and I bought the best timeshare ever. It’s at WorldMark by Wyndham. We are from Lautoka, Fiji. WorldMark and the holiday lifestyle it encourages is everything we wanted for our lives and that for our two little girls. You know, we value our family time together and to be able to do it for only $17 a week on maintenance fees is something we actually look forward to.

    Before WorldMark we took so many chances and there were so many unknown factors wherever we went on holidays. Holidays were so emotional for me and Eve. Positive and negative feelings. Happy and excited for the travel and time together. Frustration at the budget we were confined to. Our arguments on holidays was only about money and how best to spend. Bargains and deals was the way it was going. We would be just like the author of this blog and his wife. But they are much smarter than us in that they go for the nicer gifts from Timeshare marketing companies. If we only had known.

    There were times before the girls came along where we actually ran out of money/travellers chqs while on holiday. So out came the credit card. One way or the other we paid dearly for times in our lives where we were supposed to not have to worry about payments or whatever! Holidays are supposed to be relaxing while on holiday as well as after when you get home. To some of us credit card is normal but not to us. We have one for emergencies only.

    We had 2 more holidays after that one and and one thing that concerned us was the amount of money we actually saved, our hard earned money being saved for spending. We know we deserved it and all but…

    Anyway our holiday with the girls to Disney seven years ago made Eve and I realise that we may have to save alot more and NOT go as often as we liked. We were ready for that sacrifice cause we had the house, the car, the fuel, the school fees, our extended families & province obligations, the food, the dog, etc.

    We put aside about $600 USD for accommodation in the USA for about 5 days. Last time we spent it at the Travelodge just alittle south of the LA airport on Sepulveda for $89, you know those two bed basic yet comfortable motel/hotel rooms. We had a blast. Disney was unbelievable. We were the last guests to leave Disney on our last night there at 1:07am in the morning. We went again the following year. I mean can you see all of disney in only 2 days. So off we went again and this time we had to spent $129 a night at the Renaissaince on Airport Blvd. So our holidays had to be cut a little short because for some reason that whole area had some political meeting or something. Still, Disney transported us out of this world.

    Our whole outlook on holidays changed in May 2002 when we went to this Trendwest presentation. We were told about the anytime and the today’s package. We made that decision in that 2.5 hour presentation. We even lay buy the 10% deposit for 3 months. But yes we bought. They sold us. We were sucked in like 26000 families before us. We became the beneficieries of 8 resorts (at that time) in the South Pacific. We made the sales staff give our presenter a hand shake for a job well done. We ended up owning 6000 premier holiday credits and committed ourselves to $11700 AUD for 7 years fixed at 11.99% with no prepayment penalties. We paid it off in 4.5 yrs.

    We even bought more holiday credits last year. We now own outright 10′000 holiday credits and are the beneficieries of 17 resort locations plus access to 67 more in the USA WorldMark club. We pay approx $74 FJD amonth for maintenance fees. Now this club run with a good mix between the owners input as well the managers. Its titles are held in trust with Permanent Trustee of Australia, cannot be mortgaged and debt free and cannot be touched by the developer. The maintenance fee has a 5% cap per annum. Last year it went up by 2.8%. Its also cannot go up beyond Aus CPI. And most importantly availability for both Clubs, the South Pacific and North USA club is live online with 13months & 11 months booking window. They also pay life membership to RCI & ICE. And the list goes on.

    Now we holiday quite differently. We now stay in apartments with individual bedrooms every year. We know the quality and almost what to expect out of our accommodation and even the surrounding areas. Its almost as if we are going home or our own holiday apartment. In 2005 we took Eves Dad and our girls to the Gold Coast and Sunshine coast in Australia with only our spending money. Guess what, those awesome holiday credits took care of our gold crown 4 star accommodation apartment on Kirra beach as well as Golden beach Caloundra, Car hire from avis for the whole 7 days and all four theme park tickets for 3 adults and 2 kids. And no bills. Ha ha ahaha no bills. My family will be enjoying many more holidays with all our other families more often. We love holidays.

    I just joined Wyndham here in Fiji to offer this same opportunity to anyone who takes that gift. Come see me now blogger and family and I will bring you home. Love you all.

  18. Betty Says:

    Great article; but it’s too late for me; I ended up buying one, now can’t afford it. Do you have any advice for me on how to sell it without getting soaked? buyers remorse.

  19. TimeshareRevealed.com Says:

    I could not describe my own experience better than in this article.

    I purchased my timeshare from Point To Point Destinations (PTP Destinations, West Coast Timeshare( in Vancouver, BC and it was my mistake to say the least.

    I’ve learned a lot of facts after i bought it and i posted my experience along with the facts i’ve learned on this web site:

    http://www.TimeshareRevealed.com

  20. Roger Welch Says:

    Just like any product, vacation ownership is not for everyone but for those who travel a bit it’s cheaper and you stay in luxury suites instead of a Motel 6. There are more perks and benefits and it upgrades your travel from just OK to being treated like a special guest. Sure, there are a whole range of time share units but you usually get what you pay for. If your intention is to go first class for the rest of your life that most likely won’t happen if you shop for the lowest price. Like they say, it only costs a nickle more to go first class. Some people pay hundreds of thousand to join just one country club. For a fraction of that you get a lifetime of worldwide first class treatment and accomodations with vacation ownership. Some people just like to beat up on sales people and, to them, everybody is out to get them. Too bad for them, oh well, next. Sales people get paid for what they do and they earn their money. With out them and a good product like vacation ownership millions of people wouldn’t have such good vacations. These places know how to cater to what people want. I’ve stayed at regular Hotels and Motels and the Vacation Ownership program has them beat by a mile. If you own one week you can get great deals in 100 countries as many times as you want throughout the year. Wyndham is the largest and one of the best but their are many. The reason they are popular is because the programs create a win, win situation and people, for the most part, are very happy.

  21. Joy Stocking Says:

    This is EXCELLENT!

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