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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://seedlings.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/woe-is-me-cries-the-creationist/#comment-30057</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or even more correctly, “Here is a link showing how someone used Scripture to support their view of the earth's age.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or even more correctly, “Here is a link showing how someone used Scripture to support their view of the earth&#8217;s age.”</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://seedlings.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/woe-is-me-cries-the-creationist/#comment-30052</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Here is a link showing how scripture determins earth age &lt;/i&gt;

Jim,
I would change that slightly to say "Here is a link showing how someone used Scripture to determine earth age."  I'd be cautious when someone implies certainty of an event or an interpretation when the truth is not plainly evident in Scripture.  

Likewise, you can't ask 'is starlight really old or is Scripture true?'  When there's an apparent discrepancy between science and Scripture (since both are 'true'), it's probably a problem with our interpretation, either of science or Scripture or both.

As for your earlier supposition, I wouldn't classify myself as a day-age creationist, but as a pan-creationist, meaning that whatever is true will pan out in the end.  General and special revelation (meaning the word of God and the natural, observable world around us) when taken together, seem to show an old earth.  I'm willing to be convinced either way, but in the end, the whole old-earth/young-earth debate is secondary to our call to reach a dying world with the Gospel.</description>
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<p>Jim,<br />
I would change that slightly to say &#8220;Here is a link showing how someone used Scripture to determine earth age.&#8221;  I&#8217;d be cautious when someone implies certainty of an event or an interpretation when the truth is not plainly evident in Scripture.  </p>
<p>Likewise, you can&#8217;t ask &#8216;is starlight really old or is Scripture true?&#8217;  When there&#8217;s an apparent discrepancy between science and Scripture (since both are &#8216;true&#8217;), it&#8217;s probably a problem with our interpretation, either of science or Scripture or both.</p>
<p>As for your earlier supposition, I wouldn&#8217;t classify myself as a day-age creationist, but as a pan-creationist, meaning that whatever is true will pan out in the end.  General and special revelation (meaning the word of God and the natural, observable world around us) when taken together, seem to show an old earth.  I&#8217;m willing to be convinced either way, but in the end, the whole old-earth/young-earth debate is secondary to our call to reach a dying world with the Gospel.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Fisher</title>
		<link>http://seedlings.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/woe-is-me-cries-the-creationist/#comment-30051</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link showing how scripture determins earth age 

http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm

Was the star light really taking millions of years or is scripture correct?
Or to my point, will we actually find out the universe expanded faster than light or God made the light "en route" or some other definition of truth that allows for both observations to be true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link showing how scripture determins earth age </p>
<p><a href="http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm</a></p>
<p>Was the star light really taking millions of years or is scripture correct?<br />
Or to my point, will we actually find out the universe expanded faster than light or God made the light &#8220;en route&#8221; or some other definition of truth that allows for both observations to be true</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Fisher</title>
		<link>http://seedlings.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/woe-is-me-cries-the-creationist/#comment-30047</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,
  
   "multiple truths" was a very poor choice by me in getting my point across. Of course there can be only one truth. What I mean is that the information that currently appears contrary may end up not to be. 
  I dont think anyone is implying that God says the Earth is 6000 years old. Adam was made in the first week and Generations are counted since (or something like that, not sure exactly how 6000 is arrived at). Reguardless of the inaccuracys you cannot get to millions of years with a literal translation of Genesis. 
   There is a passage (not sure where) where Jesus talks about the old testament being accurate (I am sure someone can quote it here). My guess is you will tell me about my understanding of the actual meaning of Genesis not being accurate through that whole "day" actually meaning "age" thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>   &#8220;multiple truths&#8221; was a very poor choice by me in getting my point across. Of course there can be only one truth. What I mean is that the information that currently appears contrary may end up not to be.<br />
  I dont think anyone is implying that God says the Earth is 6000 years old. Adam was made in the first week and Generations are counted since (or something like that, not sure exactly how 6000 is arrived at). Reguardless of the inaccuracys you cannot get to millions of years with a literal translation of Genesis.<br />
   There is a passage (not sure where) where Jesus talks about the old testament being accurate (I am sure someone can quote it here). My guess is you will tell me about my understanding of the actual meaning of Genesis not being accurate through that whole &#8220;day&#8221; actually meaning &#8220;age&#8221; thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://seedlings.wordpress.com/2007/12/28/woe-is-me-cries-the-creationist/#comment-30038</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But at the same time how do I believe in him, but do not believe what he says is (everything) is truth. How can my savior be wrong about the age of the earth? So for now I struggle with these things. For now I accept there can be mulitple truths that will not be multiple when they are revieled to me in absolute through debate and personal revelation and one day perhaps devine revelation.&lt;/i&gt;

Jim,
First, all truths are God's truth.  By definition, a statement can't be both true and not true.  So, whether you're talking about science or faith, truth is truth, and the only thing that differs is our interpretation of it.  

Your savior was not wrong about the age of the earth, because He never brought up the topic.  People imply that "God said the earth is 6000 years old," because that's their understanding of it.  Anything contrary to their position is (by their definition) a challenge to their faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But at the same time how do I believe in him, but do not believe what he says is (everything) is truth. How can my savior be wrong about the age of the earth? So for now I struggle with these things. For now I accept there can be mulitple truths that will not be multiple when they are revieled to me in absolute through debate and personal revelation and one day perhaps devine revelation.</i></p>
<p>Jim,<br />
First, all truths are God&#8217;s truth.  By definition, a statement can&#8217;t be both true and not true.  So, whether you&#8217;re talking about science or faith, truth is truth, and the only thing that differs is our interpretation of it.  </p>
<p>Your savior was not wrong about the age of the earth, because He never brought up the topic.  People imply that &#8220;God said the earth is 6000 years old,&#8221; because that&#8217;s their understanding of it.  Anything contrary to their position is (by their definition) a challenge to their faith.</p>
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